Comments on: Say Something, Say Anything http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything A writing tablet for my thoughts Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:25:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: pinakidion http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16781 pinakidion Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:23:19 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16781 Hey Moth, I don't think you're being hypocritical at all. You've done nothing wrong. In fact, I think you're pretty clever and I appreciate that. However, I think you do not know enough about me to draw some of the conclusions you have. You only 'know' me from here. Most folks that read here know my name and who I am. Hey Moth,

I don’t think you’re being hypocritical at all. You’ve done nothing wrong. In fact, I think you’re pretty clever and I appreciate that.

However, I think you do not know enough about me to draw some of the conclusions you have. You only ‘know’ me from here. Most folks that read here know my name and who I am.

]]> By: Moth http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16665 Moth Sun, 04 Sep 2005 05:29:50 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16665 Interesting that "pinakidion" means "writing tablet" - taken from Luke 1:63 where Zacharias uses one to confirm John (the Baptist) as the name of his newborn child. He was struck mute due to his unbelief and lack of faith concerning his son when given the truth at the temple, and in fact was kept mute until after he confirmed the name by using the tablet. You and the other bloggers out there strike me as ones who appear to have heard the truth, but like Zacharias have been silent except for writing down your many thoughts on the tablet of the Internet. Where were all these thoughts and comments (along with the criticisms and sometimes slander) when it really counted - when the leaders, many of whom are now gone, needed to hear them? Surely those leaders, along with any current leaders, would have been changed in some way by those they led speaking out in love. The only way to be what Jesus called us to be as a church is to love one another - wouldn't it be better to just do that in your local congregation instead of spending your time writing all your postings and continuing to stir up the divisive ideas and rhetoric that is currently flooding the 'net? I spent a few hours tonight reading up on the current "crisis" (compared to what's happening in LA, MI and AL, it looks pretty minor indeed) just to be familiar for when I discuss it with my church leadership (I'm expecting to be asked for an opinion by many in our congregation - if I explain why, I probably will reveal myself and I prefer to stay anonymous), and I stumbled upon several blogs (yours, salguod.net, Blog in My Own Eye, etc.). I would caution all of you to be careful with what you write as your own opinion and the effect this may have on others, especially those who could be influenced by your outpourings. You may be unduly influencing others to accept your opinion without considering their own convictions - a noted problem with the "old" ICOC. As someone noted on one of the sites I read tonight, we have too many ways to easily communicate today, but that does not make it all good. In fact, we have replaced face to face resolution of issues with anonymous postings of our opinions (wow, I should talk - so, I'm a kettle and call me "black"). I have concluded that tonight will be my last post of a comment to a blog on spiritually-related issues, and I instead will just follow Jesus' command to love by brothers, and in this way show the world my unity. I love you as brothers (and sisters if it's sisters who are behind some of the blogs), but please, please stop wasting your time typing out your thoughts, and get out there and practice your love for others and show the world your faith and commitment to be unified with others who love Christ. Be struck mute, as Zacharias was, and now that you have written on your tablet what you think, go on and live a life of praise for God (as Zacharias did in Luke 1:64) - not comments on the things your brothers are doing or not doing. Just my opinion, and I realize I am being somewhat hypocritical just by posting this and staying anonymous. Please forgive me, Moth September 4, 2005 Interesting that “pinakidion” means “writing tablet” - taken from Luke 1:63Open Link in New Window where Zacharias uses one to confirm John (the Baptist) as the name of his newborn child. He was struck mute due to his unbelief and lack of faith concerning his son when given the truth at the temple, and in fact was kept mute until after he confirmed the name by using the tablet.
You and the other bloggers out there strike me as ones who appear to have heard the truth, but like Zacharias have been silent except for writing down your many thoughts on the tablet of the Internet. Where were all these thoughts and comments (along with the criticisms and sometimes slander) when it really counted - when the leaders, many of whom are now gone, needed to hear them? Surely those leaders, along with any current leaders, would have been changed in some way by those they led speaking out in love. The only way to be what Jesus called us to be as a church is to love one another - wouldn’t it be better to just do that in your local congregation instead of spending your time writing all your postings and continuing to stir up the divisive ideas and rhetoric that is currently flooding the ‘net?
I spent a few hours tonight reading up on the current “crisis” (compared to what’s happening in LA, MI and AL, it looks pretty minor indeed) just to be familiar for when I discuss it with my church leadership (I’m expecting to be asked for an opinion by many in our congregation - if I explain why, I probably will reveal myself and I prefer to stay anonymous), and I stumbled upon several blogs (yours, salguod.net, Blog in My Own Eye, etc.). I would caution all of you to be careful with what you write as your own opinion and the effect this may have on others, especially those who could be influenced by your outpourings. You may be unduly influencing others to accept your opinion without considering their own convictions - a noted problem with the “old” ICOC. As someone noted on one of the sites I read tonight, we have too many ways to easily communicate today, but that does not make it all good. In fact, we have replaced face to face resolution of issues with anonymous postings of our opinions (wow, I should talk - so, I’m a kettle and call me “black”). I have concluded that tonight will be my last post of a comment to a blog on spiritually-related issues, and I instead will just follow Jesus’ command to love by brothers, and in this way show the world my unity. I love you as brothers (and sisters if it’s sisters who are behind some of the blogs), but please, please stop wasting your time typing out your thoughts, and get out there and practice your love for others and show the world your faith and commitment to be unified with others who love Christ. Be struck mute, as Zacharias was, and now that you have written on your tablet what you think, go on and live a life of praise for God (as Zacharias did in Luke 1:64Open Link in New Window) - not comments on the things your brothers are doing or not doing.

Just my opinion, and I realize I am being somewhat hypocritical just by posting this and staying anonymous. Please forgive me,
Moth
September 4, 2005

]]> By: doug vance http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16432 doug vance Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:32:12 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16432 What's Paul? Hope all is well with you guys. I'm back in school working on a Masters in Theology. I still remember those nights studying for our history class. Isaiah got married a few weeks ago and is in grad school at ACU. Karen's doing great. JOsiah's taking classes and working. I lead the church in Fort Hood, Killeen. God's been gracious and has been good to us and the church. Peace What’s Paul? Hope all is well with you guys. I’m back in school working on a Masters in Theology. I still remember those nights studying for our history class.

Isaiah got married a few weeks ago and is in grad school at ACU.
Karen’s doing great.
JOsiah’s taking classes and working.
I lead the church in Fort Hood, Killeen. God’s been gracious and has been good to us and the church. Peace

]]> By: Paul S. http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16422 Paul S. Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:29:03 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16422 Doug Vance is that you down in Austin? You old dog you. This is your old University of Houston campus ministry partner now in San Diego. How are you big Guy? Doug Vance is that you down in Austin? You old dog you. This is your old University of Houston campus ministry partner now in San Diego. How are you big Guy?

]]> By: doug vance http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16413 doug vance Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:32:07 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16413 Chris, Oh, you mean Kip really is serious about calling out another remnant. What happened to the last remnant that he called out? How many remnants can one man call out in his llfe time? I guess we'll find out. If he can call out a remnant why can't anyone else? Chris,
Oh, you mean Kip really is serious about calling out another remnant. What happened to the last remnant that he called out? How many remnants can one man call out in his llfe time? I guess we’ll find out. If he can call out a remnant why can’t anyone else?

]]> By: pinakidion http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16412 pinakidion Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:23:28 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16412 Chris, what do you think about the announcement from the Boston elders? Are they character assasins? Chris, what do you think about the announcement from the Boston elders? Are they character assasins?

]]> By: Chris http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16409 Chris Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:01:35 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16409 I hope everyone sees that this is not really a laughing matter. Pray for your leaders. Pray for yourselves. Let's look at the cross and be inspired. The bible does not talk about different levels of commitment. We should all be on the same page. By the strict biblical definition, is there anything other than a 'sold out' disciple? Whatever terminology we use is not sufficient to describe the total commitment that Jesus calls us to. I believe that if every Christian recommitted to putting Jesus first, we would not be having this seemingly endless discussion. As I have said in the past, there are a lot of visionaries and dreamers in Portland and Salt Lake City and other places. Let's not criticize them. Let's put an end to character assassination. What good does it accomplish? Should we not heed the Scripture that teaches us to say only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs? Let's think about the cross and think about how we can change the world instead of being so inward focused and caught up in pettiness. Cheers everyone! I hope everyone sees that this is not really a laughing matter. Pray for your leaders. Pray for yourselves. Let’s look at the cross and be inspired. The bible does not talk about different levels of commitment. We should all be on the same page. By the strict biblical definition, is there anything other than a ’sold out’ disciple? Whatever terminology we use is not sufficient to describe the total commitment that Jesus calls us to. I believe that if every Christian recommitted to putting Jesus first, we would not be having this seemingly endless discussion. As I have said in the past, there are a lot of visionaries and dreamers in Portland and Salt Lake City and other places. Let’s not criticize them. Let’s put an end to character assassination. What good does it accomplish? Should we not heed the Scripture that teaches us to say only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs? Let’s think about the cross and think about how we can change the world instead of being so inward focused and caught up in pettiness. Cheers everyone!

]]> By: Anne MArie http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16408 Anne MArie Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:39:21 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16408 What many people dont realize is that Kip has ALREADY BEEN sinking his FANGS into other churches. I remeber reading on a few Africa church websites, also on ICOCINFO.ORG that THEY had sent people to PORTLAND to INTERN. This was not too long AFTER the Chicago conference. This was CAREFULLY PLANNED by him for a LONG TIME. What many people dont realize is that Kip has ALREADY BEEN sinking his FANGS into other churches. I remeber reading on a few Africa church websites, also on ICOCINFO.ORG that THEY had sent people to PORTLAND to INTERN. This was not too long AFTER the Chicago conference. This was CAREFULLY PLANNED by him for a LONG TIME.

]]> By: Amy http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16400 Amy Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:49:28 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16400 That's hilarious, Doug! Just goes to show how ridiculous Kip's call is. That’s hilarious, Doug! Just goes to show how ridiculous Kip’s call is.

]]> By: doug http://pinakidion.org/archives/say-something-say-anything#comment-16320 doug Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:20:41 +0000 http://pinakidion.us/2005/08/25/say-something-say-anything/#comment-16320 SUPER DUPER SOLD-OUT DISCIPLES My vision is the evangelization of all nations in the 21st Century. I am taking the initiative to help rebuild any congregation that asks my help thereby aiding in rebuilding a global movement of “super duper sold-out” disciples that will reach this lost world. If you’ve already committed to being a sold-out disciple, I am calling you higher. If a leadership turns to me and asks for help, I am willing to disciple them to rebuild the foundation. I believe it is time for a progressive “calling-out of the remnant of super duper sold-out disciples” from dying, former ICOC Churches. If a group asks for help to restore the foundation of super duper sold-out disciples, I will help in any way I can. In the fall I will begin to seek out church leaderships in congregations that are struggling to ask if I can help them build a foundation of super duper sold-out disciples. If they are not inclined to receive help, then I will offer help to any group that would prefer to be in a new congregation composed of only super duper sold-out disciples. To the casual observer, this may look like “two churches in one city.” Yet, in time it will be obvious who has God’s approval because we will baptize more people than the former sold-out disciples. How will we do this? Simple, instead of the low sold-out standard of attending one Bible Talk per week, we as super duper sold-out disciples will expect our members to be in at least two Bible Talks per week. If you’re single or campus, the expectation is three Bible Talks per week. My big fear is that someone will want to start a movement of supercalifragilisticexpialidocious super duper sold-out disciples. How am I supposed to top that? Some might say my pride is only exceeded by my arrogance in calling out the remnant of super duper sold out disciples.Your right. “This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But perhaps it is the end of the beginning.”- Winston. We can only hope for the end of this foolishness. SUPER DUPER SOLD-OUT DISCIPLES

My vision is the evangelization of all nations in the 21st Century. I am taking the initiative to help rebuild any congregation that asks my help thereby aiding in rebuilding a global movement of “super duper sold-out” disciples that will reach this lost world. If you’ve already committed to being a sold-out disciple, I am calling you higher.

If a leadership turns to me and asks for help, I am willing to disciple them to rebuild the foundation.

I believe it is time for a progressive “calling-out of the remnant of super duper sold-out disciples” from dying, former ICOC Churches. If a group asks for help to restore the foundation of super duper sold-out disciples, I will help in any way I can.

In the fall I will begin to seek out church leaderships in congregations that are struggling to ask if I can help them build a foundation of super duper sold-out disciples. If they are not inclined to receive help, then I will offer help to any group that would prefer to be in a new congregation composed of only super duper sold-out disciples. To the casual observer, this may look like “two churches in one city.” Yet, in time it will be obvious who has God’s approval because we will baptize more people than the former sold-out disciples. How will we do this? Simple, instead of the low sold-out standard of attending one Bible Talk per week, we as super duper sold-out disciples will expect our members to be in at least two Bible Talks per week. If you’re single or campus, the expectation is three Bible Talks per week.

My big fear is that someone will want to start a movement of supercalifragilisticexpialidocious super duper sold-out disciples. How am I supposed to top that?

Some might say my pride is only exceeded by my arrogance in calling out the remnant of super duper sold out disciples.Your right. “This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But perhaps it is the end of the beginning.”- Winston. We can only hope for the end of this foolishness.

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